A WebMention Endpoint

Valentino Spataro

@hugo anyone has a tool to suggest ? @lealternative @filippodb

hugo roy

maybe you know @voxpelli?

Jamie Tanna

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Tantek Çelik

Once you have a domain^1, and connect it to an #IndieWeb service like https://micro.blog, or a https://indieweb.org/CMS on https://indieweb.org/web_hosting, you can focus^2 on your writing.Or if you enjoy #webDevelopment and want to build (option three^3), use developer services to more rapidly add IndieWeb building blocks^4 to your site so you too can focus on creating & owning your content^5.Here are some of the most common and popular developer services:1. Webmention sending: https://webmention.app/ by h

Tantek Çelik

https://jhey.dev/ (@jhey@front-end.social) hey! thanks for the kind words.Two sides to supporting #webmentions:1. Sending: https://webmention.app/ is excellent, by https://remysharp.com/ (@rem@front-end.social), or you can write your own Webmention sending loop using endpoint discovery libraries, and in that loop you can do other things, like also send each link to the Internet Archive (https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#Trigger_an_Archive, what I do on my site) to archive each link as of the time you li

Pelle Wessman

Yeah, indeed, I added a note to that issue and linked back to this conversation

Pelle Wessman

No worries, it’s fun to have such a use case. Apologies from my side for returning over a megabyte of mentions on your homepage 🙈

Stuart Langridge

this is one of those things where when you first made it, everyone had about two webmentions and now it's a few years on and there are loads :) Definitely a since= parameter would be easy to pass in and reduce output load a lot, I hope :)

Kevin Marks

Sorry about that (I'm pretty sure that it's my homepage stressing it)

Pelle Wessman

I very much should / need to add some such mechanism. I'm tracking pagination, which is similar, here: github.com/voxpelli/webpa… And while it might look like it's a low priority, it's actually the next major step for it, as its the only thing that occasionally pressures the site

Anonymous

How I Integrated Webmentions Into My Hugo Static Site

Since I moved my blog over to Hugo, I’ve been wanting to do a little series of posts about various aspects of my set-up, just in case they help anyone else thinking of doing the same. This first post is about how I’ve enabled Webmentions, an important building block of the IndieWeb. As you might notice, my blog posts don’t have conventional comment forms underneath them. Instead, any comments you see displayed have been sent as Webmentions, meaning they’ve been posted elsewhere and syndicated here. But how

Hugo Soucy

@dav@mastodon.social, de rien 😊 Pour l'intégration, je dois remercier la communauté #indieweb, car ça repose sur les services en ligne développés par ses membres: https://brid.gy/, pour la connexion avec Mastodon. https://github.com/willnorris/webmention, pour envoyer des webmentions (à bridgy par exemple). https://webmention.herokuapp.com/, pour recevoir et afficher des interactions (webmentions). Et http://microformats.org/, pour que mon contenu soit en mesure d'être interprété par les apps ci-dessus.

David Larlet ✅

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⸘Prof. von Explaino‽

I used the same function that caused the issue last time; it appears to have worked fine. Fixed yay?

Pelle Wessman

Checked, found some errors, though nothing that would relate to this. Does it work now?

Pelle Wessman

Promising! Will give it a look on my side as well anyhow 😉

DreamHost

I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. I was able to get your recent ticket over to our support team to look into and they will update you accordingly, thanks *MC

Eat This Podcast

Looks like it might actually be an error at my hosting service. I had the same error myself trying to load a page. I have contacted @dreamhost

Pelle Wessman

Could be! I’ll look into it, see if I can find something in the logs or such Thanks for letting me know 🙏 If you like you can open an issue at github.com/voxpelli/webpa…, else I try to reconnect anyways :)

Eat This Podcast

@voxpelli could this be an error from webmention.herokuapp.com? No problem at my end, the webmention was received and displays. @vonExplaino

Marty McGuire

What we talk about when we're talking about "Webmentions"

I have a great fondness for IndieWeb building blocks, and Webmention is a wonderful meta-building-block that connects so many individual websites together. Obligatory "what is Webmention?": it's a specification that describes a way to "tell" a website that some document out on the web links to one of the pages on that site. Sound simple? It is! Perhaps even suspiciously simple. Webmention enables whole new kinds of interactions between sites (there are some great examples in this A List Apart piece)

Jamie Tanna

In reply to a post on Twitter Post details https://twitter.com/JamieTanna/status/1358852222218567683Oh nice that’s cool! I don’t have micropub setup (what is it for?). Main remaining tasks are setting up twitter ~> site syndication and visa versa. I think brid.gy can do it but think I need to write custom code to create new posts for it? Josh Ghent (@joshghent)Mon, 08 Feb 2021 20:03 GMTSo Micropub is the open standard that allows you to use a wealth of clients (https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients) to publish to your site. Twitter -> site Webmentions can be done with Bridgy. If you want to publish to Twitter from your site, you'll want something like https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions to automate sending the webmentions that will then trigger Bridgy to publish the post (https://martymcgui.re/2020/07/15/what-we-talk-about-when-were-talking-about-webmentions/ is also worth a read)So Micropub is the open standard that allows you to use a wealth of clients (https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients) to publish to your site. Twitter -> site Webmentions can be done with Bridgy. If you want to publish to Twitter from your site, you'll want something like https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions to automate sending the webmentions that will then trigger Bridgy to publish the post (https://martymcgui.re/2020/07/15/what-we-talk-about-when-were-talking-about-webmentions/ is also worth a read)Mon, 08 Feb 2021 20:51 by Jamie Tanna .Also on:

So Micropub is the open standard that allows you to use a wealth of clients (https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients) to publish to your site. Twitter -> site Webmentions can be done with Bridgy. If you want to publish to Twitter from your site, you'll want something like https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions to automate sending the webmentions that will then trigger Bridgy to publish the post (https://martymcgui.re/2020/07/15/what-we-talk-about-when-were-talking-about-webmentions/ is als

Jason McIntosh

Webmention is glue

Webmention as glue, and not the thing glued

fluffy

Stuff about webmention

Marty wrote a great, thoughtful essay about some of the problems with webmention right now, and I agree with it.

Michael Spellacy (Spell)

Reply to https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Testing webmentions. I think they are cool. November 02, 2019 Michael Spellacy (Spell)

Testing webmentions. I think they are cool.

Andre Alves Garzia

Adding IndieWeb support to this site.

Mastodon Twitter Today I was at Redecentralize Conference and went to session about the IndieWeb movement that really excited me. I’ve been following the steps outlined in this handy interactive guide and making changes to this blog. Things are not yet the way I want them to be but it is already quite functional. I’ve added some markup for microformats2 and am accepting WebMentions by relying on https://webmention.herokuapp.com/. I’ve also added brid.gy so that my Twitter and Mastodon are integrated into t

Anonymous

Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content · Matthias Ott – User Experience Designer

Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content · Matthias Ott – User Experience Designer We have lost control over our content. To change this, we need to reconsider the way we create and consume content online. We need to create a new set of tools that enable an independent, open web for everyone. This is the second article of a two-part series on digital citizenship. Part one was all about online privacy and how to protect it, this second part focuses on how we can build and promote tools that enable an op

Drei aka Bitcoin Master

Comments for static sites

I would like to thank Nicolas Hoizey for introducing me to webmentionsand Bridgy.

Frank Meeuwsen

Ton, je zou denken... Mijn antwoord op: https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/10/5112/ 24 October 2018 webmentions indieweb 2018-10-24 11:38:37 +0200 Frank Meeuwsen Ton, je zou denken dat bij een statische site alle webmentions onderdeel zijn van mijn site en dus in mijn bezit zijn. Dat is (nog) niet zo. Als je een blogpost bezoekt wordt onderin een javascript geladen die vanaf de webmentions-dienst de juiste mentions laden. Ik kan het in theorie allemaal downloaden en integreren op mijn eigen site. Maar dat is nu nog niet het geval. Originele link 2018-10-24 11:38:37 +0200 Frank Meeuwsen [email protected] Blog on

Ton, je zou denken dat bij een statische site alle webmentions onderdeel zijn van mijn site en dus in mijn bezit zijn. Dat is (nog) niet zo. Als je een blogpost bezoekt wordt onderin een javascript geladen die vanaf de webmentions-dienst de juiste mentions laden. Ik kan het in theorie allemaal downloaden en integreren op mijn eigen site. Maar dat is nu nog niet het geval. Originele link

Anonymous

This is a second test to see if the webmentions I send are no longer anonymous (by re-adding link to author / and microformats).

Anonymous

This is a test to see if the webmentions I send are no longer anonymous (by re-adding link to author / and microformats).

Frank Meeuwsen

Waarom mijn post als reactie onder dezelfde post staat 24 October 2018 webmentions indieweb 2018-10-24 08:38:20 +0200 Frank Meeuwsen Oh de hoepels waar je door springt als je je eigen oplossingen aan elkaar wilt rijgen als een kralenketting. Sinds dit weekend kan ik eindelijk webmentions versturen vanaf mijn site. Nu bestaan webmentions uit twee onderdelen: Versturen en ontvangen. Het principe is best simpel: Na publicatie van een nieuwe blogpost checkt het verstuur-script in de post welke links hij kan vinden en gaat webmentions versturen. Als de ontvangende site geen webmentions-ontvangstdienst heeft, dan is dat geen probleem. De webmention wordt dan niet verstuurd. Is er wel een ontvangstdienst op de ontvangende pagina, dan verstuur ik automagisch de webmention. Of nou ja, ik niet, een klein robotje ergens op een server. Webmentions aan jezelf Volgens de W3C specificaties is het aan de ontvangende dienst om de webmentions te checken. Een van de specificaties is: The receiver MUST reject the request if the source URL is the same as the target URL. Dus als je een webmention naar je eigen pagina stuurt, dan zou de ontvangende site - mijn eigen site dus - moeten zeggen “OK supersympathiek, maar die hoef ik niet te hebben want die komt van mijn eigen site.” Klinkt logisch toch? Nu gebruik ik voor de ontvangende dienst weer een andere service, die destijds makkelijk was op te zetten voor mijn site. Die service heeft nu alle webmentions van het afgelopen jaar. Helaas checkt die dienst niet of de bron en doel URL gelijk zijn. Dit is een bug die al meer dan een jaar open staat, maar helaas heeft de maker geen tijd om het te fixen. Dat is begrijpelijk, dit soort services zijn labors of love en de kachel moet wel blijven branden. Volgende stappen Dus wat kan ik nu het beste doen? Er zijn een paar mogelijkheden die ik de komende tijd verder evalueer De dienst die ik nu in gebruik heb in eigen beheer hosten en zelf het script aanpassen. Omdat de Webmention dienst open source is, kan ik het script zelf downloaden en eventueel zelf aanpassingen doen. Dit vereist echter wel dat ik mijn NodeJS skills weer wat opkrik én dat ik een goede lokale testomgeving heb. Een goede oplossing kan ik natuurlijk weer teruggeven aan de community. Een andere dienst kiezen. Er zijn meer diensten die het mogelijk maken om webmentions te ontvangen en weer te geven. Hiervoor hoef ik in theorie één regel aan te passen, het adres van de ontvangende dienst en de code om de webmentions weer te geven om te leiden. Echter, alle bestaande webmentions wil ik dan wel importeren bij de nieuwe dienst zodat ik geen verleden kwijt ben. Zelf iets in elkaar brouwen. Dat is mogelijk een lange termijn doel. Afgelopen weekend zijn de verschillende protocollen rondom het open web gedemystificeerd voor me. Zeker sinds ik Aaron Parecki aan het werk zag en in een paar minuten een werkende ontvangende dienst zag maken in een demo. Het is voor mij nu nog iets te hoog gegrepen, zeker als het om de beschikbare tijd gaat. Misschien is dat een project voor een volgende IndieWebCamp. Al met al is het probleem nú nog niet opgelost, anders dan dat de maker van de Webmention dienst heeft aangeboden om de doublures handmatig uit de database te halen. To be continued! 2018-10-24 08:38:20 +0200 Frank Meeuwsen [email protected] Blog on

Oh de hoepels waar je door springt als je je eigen oplossingen aan elkaar wilt rijgen als een kralenketting. Sinds dit weekend kan ik eindelijk webmentions versturen vanaf mijn site. Nu bestaan webmentions uit twee onderdelen: Versturen en ontvangen. Het principe is best simpel: Na publicatie van een nieuwe blogpost checkt het verstuur-script in de post welke links hij kan vinden en gaat webmentions versturen. Als de ontvangende site geen webmentions-ontvangstdienst heeft, dan is dat geen probleem. De webm

Anonymous

Frank, je zegt, over het wisselen van webmention dienst “Echter, alle bestaande webmentions wil ik dan wel importeren bij de nieuwe dienst zodat ik geen verleden kwijt ben.” Is het niet zo dat verwerkte webmentions onderdeel zijn geworden van jouw site? Je hebt immers statische pagina’s. Mijn site verwerkt de webmentions in mijn database, en als ik morgen e.o.a. externe dienst ga gebruiken verdwijnen die niet. Is dat bij jou niet ook zo? Zoals je zegt verzenden en verwerken zijn verschillende dingen, maar h

Anonymous

Some thoughts on WebMention

So, for the last couple of days I've been playing with some of the IndieWeb concepts, in particular Webmention. Spurred on by a helpful thread with Kevin Marks, I took some time to actually do a rough implementation of outgoing Webmentions, and also did some of the work to set up the `h-card` and `h-entry` microformats on my main site.

fluffy

Just thought I should (Web)Mention…

I’ve been building Publ with IndieWeb principles in mind. One of the things I’m playing with right now is adding in very basic support for WebMention.

Anonymous

Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet

Editor’s note: This is a copy of an article that was originally published on A List Apart. Over 1 million Webmentions will have been sent across the internet since the specification was made a full Recommendation by the W3C—the standards body that guides the direction of the web—in early January 2017. That number is rising rapidly, and in the last few weeks I’ve seen a growing volume of chatter on social media and the blogosphere about these new “mentions” and the people implementing them. So what are Webme

Alan S.

Further adventures in IndieWeb

I've had a fun couple of weeks of continued indieweb stand-up. (new) My own installation of Quill, which I stood up yesterday and modified slightly in order to add small annotations to like-type posts. (new) In the process, I got likes more fully wired up so that they appear the way I want them to and get syndicated properly (I think). Doing this with more post types is on the to-do list. (new-ish) All of prettygoodhat is served up securely with Let's Encrypt.

seishonagon

@alans nah, it’s just that I saw the nginx paragraph in the quill setup docs and froze.

seishonagon

@danielpunkass no worries, I didn’t mean you had to. More that I had better wait for somebody to do it right. After all I almost lost ALL my dB tinkering yesterday, because “backups? Who has time for backups?”

jeremycherfas

@danielpunkass Micropub in MarsEdit would be A Good Thing

seishonagon

@danielpunkass but of course! 🤭 thanks.... 🐇🕳 here I come

amit

@alans Agreed. When I got to it, I wasn’t sure what I will gain out of this. It was more of a learning experience. But then I started posting from multiple clients and that itself proved I was on the right track.

eli

@aaronpk I know what I’ll be doing tonight! Thanks! 🙏

eli

@aaronpk 🤔 intriguing

eli

@danielpunkass it has an editing context, but I think you are right that it doesn’t support a generic way to retrieve a list of all past posts. @aaronpk does that sound right to you?

danielpunkass

@seishonagon Butting in here, but typically a single database can be used to host data from multiple apps. WordPress has a "prefix" option to make sure any of its tables don't conflict with other apps (even other WP instances).

danielpunkass

@seishonagon I need to get my head on straight about Micropub. When I looked at it before it was missing something (maybe downloading existing posts?) that made me think I had to wait.

seishonagon

@dgold @alans @eli oh well all this is moot since my provider only allows ONE database per account, and it’s already used by WP :-) I’ll leave well enough alone

dgold

@seishonagon I’m not sure what you mean. Nginx files live under /etc/nginx/ , you set the document root in the nginx server block. They don’t need to be uploaded anywhere.

alans

@dgold Thanks! Fortunately I'm on Apache and haven't had to solve any Nginx issues, but @seishonagon may be working on Nginx and subdomains.

dgold

@alans damn man, I started out knowing sqrt(feck all) about nginx and subdomains. Now I have like ten subs. If I’d known you were struggling I’d have popped in.

seishonagon

@alans got it.

seishonagon

@eli given @danielpunkass ‘s participation around here, i may just wait to see what he comes up with around micropub...

alans

@seishonagon No, in my case I put quill as a sub domain of my primary one, so it doesn’t add any cost. (I’m on a $5 per month plan from Pair and it’s meeting all my needs really well.)

eli

@seishonagon there isn't a heap of benefit to using it over marsedit if you are running WP already. My website leverages the micropub to handle all posting, so it isn't (currently) compatible with marsedit.

seishonagon

@alans so you have a separate server for quill and for your blog? That’s going to be expensive ...

seishonagon

@eli I’ve tried to use the original public one. But really, I don’t see the benefit of using this rather than mars edit, e.g.

alans

@seishonagon Oh man. I don’t know a single thing about Nginx. 😬 I think Quill works best when its public folder is placed at the root level of a domain or subdomain.

eli

@seishonagon it can most certainly be daunting — quill is documented, but spareslly, especially if you haven't done much config. before. Luckily, there area already a couple of publicly accesible instances of quill, so it isn't necessary to host your own to use. As soon as I'm sure mine is up and running a-okay, I'll post a link to it for others to use.

seishonagon

@eli @alans as a preliminary I’ve moved my WP down in a subdirectory, and I already borked things up. Looking at quill install I realize I don’t even know where to upload it, much less how to run the Nginx files etc :-)

eli

@alans ah, that makes sense. Thanks! Time to have some fun with symlinks to see if I can get quill up and running!

alans

@eli Ah, I forgot about that detail. I started to try the .htaccess config, then found that my host control panel could remap the web root for me. So I just set it to the repo’s public directory that way and avoided figuring it out by myself with .htaccess.

eli

@alans did you have to futz with a .htaccess file to handle the routing? I've got everything set up — and I can't get the login page to resolve if I navigate directly to the public directory, but I'm not getting the rewrite to work

alans

@seishonagon @amit Now that I understand the pieces it's easy to look back with a lot of comprehension, but there's definitely a learning/implementation curve. I'm really, really satisfied with having figured it out and joined up all the pices that I'm using so far. (Of course, my host made a change that temporarily broke things today! Aaaack.)

alans

@jack My impression has always been that your act is quite well put together! But I'm glad to be of motivation help :) This m.b indie community is extremely motivating for me, generally.

alans

@eli Quill was actually pretty easy to get working! I opted to use sqlite for the DB so I wouldn't have to fuss with mySQL and my web host's control panel. Finding the right places to enable annotating a like-of post was a little more involved, but turned out to be straightforward once I had traced through the data flow.

seishonagon

@alans oh god, if I try this then I’ll definitely need trainer wheels ...

amit

@alans This looks great. And inspires me to pick up my adventures from where I left them. And there are many components common in your setup with mine. So I know this will work out.

jack

@alans Nice. I have got to get my act together with my blog and your post has motivated me.

eli

@alans great setup! How’d you find standing up your own instance of quill? I’ve thought about doing that but haven’t taken the time to do it yet.

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Ryan Barrett

1 Million Webmentions

We’re celebrating 1 million webmentions successfully sent in the wild! We’re still narrowing down the exact number and when we crossed the threshold, but we estimate sometime in December 2017 or January 2018. Join us for the party, Wed 1/24 at your local Homebrew Website Club! Counting isn’t easy, since webmentions are distributed and peer to peer. There’s no single central repository that all webmentions go through. There are a number of large services that handle many webmentions, though. We’re counting a

Ryan Barrett

Bridgy stats update

A new year means new Bridgy stats! Let’s go to the numbers. Since launch in December 2013: 4300 users, 940k webmentions sent successfully to >1500 unique domains, 9.5M responses handled (likes, comments etc), 26K POSSEs published, total cost ~$.02/user/month (up from ~$.01 18 months ago). I don’t see any big new changes, shifts, or trends. The one exciting milestone coming up is 1M webmentions successfully sent. If we count total webmentions sent ever, Bridgy is probably the biggest single sender or receive

Christian

Okay. I'll check if it works automatically now, maybe it was a temporary issue (last automated post was a while ago)

♝ Michael Bishop ♝

could be a lot of things. Might be easier to debug if you pop into #indieweb IRC indieweb.org/discuss#Chat

Christian

Yes, I use it for receiving, and sending is via brid.gy, yeah. Did not work when brid.gy sent automatically, just when I manually re-sent

♝ Michael Bishop ♝

it’s not for sending iirc, only receiving. How are you posting to Twitter? brid.gy ?

Christian

Works right now for sending manually, did not work when I last posted something on Twitter. Will investigate further.

♝ Michael Bishop ♝

what seems broken? /cc @voxpelli

Christian

Yes.

Anonymous

Not giving up on IndieWeb

I know this only an ego trip, but I'd like to get back to having comments enabled on my website. That part is actually quite easy. There is a good Comments plugin for Grav that I have tested locally and it does a nice job. More than comments, though, I want IndieWeb comments. That is, I want people to be able to comment on, link to, like or otherwise engage with my content on their own site1 and have that show up here, on my site. In other words, I want it all. The key to all this is a technology called web

Anonymous

Jeremy Cherfas

It worked! Well done. Are you also in the IndieWeb IRC/Slack?

Anonymous

18 Jul Giving Up On Indieweb In reply to: Jeremy Cherfas Glenn chose not to jump through those hoops. That's OK. I wonder, though, will he ever discover this post? Not Giving Up On IndieWeb 2017-07-27 Accessed on: 2018-07-18 (UPDATE: It's now been a year since I first posted this. Just today I discovered a year-old blog post which mentioned this one, and an ensuing discussion. Of course I knew nothing of this because - well, I couldn't get webmentions to work! I have moved this blog to a new platform, and they have a webmentions plugin, so I'm going to link to/reply to the post in question and see if maybe, just maybe, this will work now?) Mood: very ranty! While I love the IndieWeb concept and the general ideas behind it, the current set of implementations are so complex, so mind-blowingly difficult to implement that I am making a self-care decision and deleting almost all of it from my computer and sites. There is a reason that the handful of people who actually care and talk about this stuff have careers in programming. At this point, that is what is required to get this up and running. What this means is that a decent level of implementation and adoption is still years away. Yes, I've read how the W3C is about to officially 'recommend' it, and how there is a WordPress plugin for it. Still, just spend some time with Google and read some sites. It's a god-damned ghost town out there. The only way this is going to gain any sort of widespread momentum is for it to become baked in to other services. Core, not plugins. If it takes an extra effort, or a lot of command-line typing, people just aren't going to do it, and the adoption levels will remain close to where they are now, almost zero. After the initial spurt of activity surrounding IndieWeb as a concept, there was a brief flurry of activity. Almost every solution I looked into shows this same pattern. Since 2014 a few plugins were built for the Kirby CMS. Known started up. An IndieWeb plugin was created for WordPress. So how is the adoption rate for these things? WordPress IndieWeb plugin - 3 years, 300 installs Known - no longer catering to individual bloggers - targeting education market Kirby plugins - I installed both micropub and webmentions - as far as I can tell, neither work as expected. Brid.gy - almost 4000 accounts in six years, but no idea how many are active and connected to a real blog And that's about it. That is as much traction as this concept has been able to get. A few scattered developers have worked on bits and pieces of it in their spare time and have implemented it for their own sites, but it's still all small disjointed strings of code floating around, waiting for you to lovingly hand-code into your own html. So I'm calling it. No more indieweb implementations for me. I'll still have my own blog, and it will still be closely tied to my 'silo' identities around the web, but I'm not going to waste any more time trying to get micropub or webmention code to work. Maybe someday someone will get this packaged in a more user-friendly way. Until then, I'm just going to blog and share and interact when and where I am able.

Rob Fairhead

Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts

Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts 3 min read I've been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich's response asking for views on what the #indieweb could do better.My attraction to the IndieWeb has been about owning my data, avoiding silos where possible (i.e. where the friction is tolerable), and federalising content. (You can read a little about my journey on my IndieWeb user page

Rob Fairhead

Indieweb for end-users – some thoughts

I’ve been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich’s response asking for views on what the #indieweb could do better. My attraction to the IndieWeb has been about owning my data, avoiding silos where possible (i.e. where the friction is tolerable), and federalising content. (You can read a little about my journey on my IndieWeb user page .) I only came across the definitions of IndieWeb Generations the other day, but would label myself as a Gen2 with a little b

Rob Fairhead

Indieweb for end-users – some thoughts

I’ve been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich’s response asking for views on what the #indieweb could do better. My attraction to the IndieWeb has been about owning my data, avoiding silos where possible (i.e. where the friction is tolerable), and federalising content. (You can read a little about my journey on my IndieWeb user page .) I only came across the definitions of IndieWeb Generations the other day, but would label myself as a Gen2 with a little b

Rob Fairhead

Indieweb for end-users – some thoughts

I’ve been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich’s response asking for views on what the #indieweb could do better. My attraction to the IndieWeb has been about owning my data, avoiding silos where possible (i.e. where the friction is tolerable), and federalising content. (You can read a little about my journey on my IndieWeb user page .) I only came across the definitions of IndieWeb Generations the other day, but would label myself as a Gen2 with a little b

Rob Fairhead

Indieweb for end-users – some thoughts

I’ve been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich’s response asking for views on what the #indieweb could do better. My attraction to the IndieWeb has been about owning my data, avoiding silos where possible (i.e. where the friction is tolerable), and federalising content. (You can read a little about my journey on my IndieWeb user page .) I only came across the definitions of IndieWeb Generations the other day, but would label myself as a Gen2 with a little b

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A couple of interesting articles on the IndieWeb right now: Reflections on Two Years of #Indieweb - Alex Kearney - https://kongaloosh.com/e/2017/6/22/hello-world Not giving up on IndieWeb - Jeremy Cherfas - https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/not-giving-up-on-indieweb The confusion about the indieweb - Colin Walker - https://colinwalker.blog/2017/06/22/the-confusion-about-the-indieweb/ Re: Making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users - John Johnston - http://johnjohnston.info/blog/re-chris-aldrich-o

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I'm curious what, if anything, you all think that the IndieWeb as a community could do or do better to make things easier for Generation 2 users? Additionally is there something we all (as Gen2 users) could band together to do to make it easier for others like us not to have to "suffer" as we did? Comments back to this are welcome, as is conversation in the #indieweb channel, or even brainstorming on the wiki (perhaps the generations page: https://indieweb.org/generations#Generation_2_IndieWeb)

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I think @manton's micro.blog offers a great model of the indieweb. It, like quill or webmention.io, is a microservice or set of microservices that leverages indieweb tech in a user friendly way. When the indieweb works more like the social media that folks are already familiar with (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.) the less friction there is to join. So...this is all to say, in the end, I think better on boarding materials and user-friendlier documentation would go a LOOOOONG way. BUT, before one can cre

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I wonder if the generations are still applicable and/or useful? Generation 2 is so broadly defined it is difficult to say what "they" need, because as a group of users they're not very clearly articulated. What if the focused shifted to features? ...this isn't to say away from users, but to re-articulate phases of indieweb growth by ease of use?

Colin Walker

In reply to: I'm curious what, if anything, you all think that the IndieWeb as a community could do or do better to make things easier for Generation 2... As I've written before, I think mass adoption of #indieweb technologies (at least in their current guise) is only likely to happen by stealth. There needs to be a big player willing to dip their toes in the water and really drive things forward in a way that is invisible to end users. Imagine if Twitter or Facebook natively included support. There would b

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Re: Chris Aldrich on making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users?

I'm curious what, if anything, you all think that the IndieWeb as a community could do or do better to make things easier for Generation 2 users? by Chris Aldrich (Chris Aldrich) Hi Chris, I am not sure there is much that the IndieWeb as a community can do more that the amazing efforts that are going on at the moment. This reply turns out to be a bit of a ramble… I think at this stage of the development of IndieWeb there is bound to be friction for new users. I am certainly aware that some of my posts mu

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More on the progression of the indieweb

From John Johnston: Perhaps shorter how-tos that don’t link off too much might and have a smaller scope might help generation 2 & 3? I am not the best person to judge this. Some friction comes with the power. Especially if you have already got a blog, workflows etc going. I’ve found quite a few assumptions I had were slightly wrong. And... as I click Publish, will this end up as a comment on Chris’s post? How will it look on twitter, on micro.blog, I can’t say I am wholly confident that I know! Th

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A couple of interesting articles on the IndieWeb right now: Reflections on Two Years of #Indieweb - Alex Kearney - https://kongaloosh.com/e/2017/6/22/hello-world Not giving up on IndieWeb - Jeremy Cherfas - https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/not-giving-up-on-indieweb The confusion about the indieweb - Colin Walker - https://colinwalker.blog/2017/06/22/the-confusion-about-the-indieweb/ Re: Making the IndieWeb easier for Generation 2 users - John Johnston - http://johnjohnston.info/blog/re-chris-aldrich-o

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replying to a post on www.jeremycherfas.net Is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn’t. Is it hard? That depends on what you mean by hard. I flailed about when I started this journey, looking for positive answers and simple solutions, and was disheartened when they weren’t there. But I persevered, and I’m glad I did. I have functioning webmentions on my site and I ended up writing my own micropub endpoint. Most importantly, I don’t work in computer programing, so I’d like to knock that strawman down. This is a philosophical quest for me, a form of askesis, and one I’ve enjoyed every moment of. 27/07/17 20:00 • • • •

Is the #Indieweb easy? No, it isn’t. Is it hard? That depends on what you mean by hard. I flailed about when I started this journey, looking for positive answers and simple solutions, and was disheartened when they weren’t there. But I persevered, and I’m glad I did. I have functioning webmentions on my site and I ended up writing my own micropub endpoint. Most importantly, I don’t work in computer programing, so I’d like to knock that strawman down. This is a philosophical quest for me, a form of askesis,

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Getting there

Finally managed to get webmentions working on this site, to my great satisfaction. There are, of course, plenty of things left to sort out. One relates to formatting, or presentation. Some of that I can control. Some I cannot, as it depends on what the person at the other end sends. A supportive comment from Daniel Gold, for example, appears twice, because that's how it is marked up on Daniel's site. Not a lot I can do about that, although I will note that it was one reason why I originally wanted to mess

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Getting there (jeremycherfas.net) Beyond that, there is a kind of philosophical dilemma, not unlike the original dilemma of owning your own content in the first place. I am utterly dependent on the good offices of other people to maintain the services on which I now depend. Still, at least they're not evil mega-corporations. Reading: Getting there | Jeremy Cherfas Although I am really enjoying exploring the indieweb, this point about reliance is always on my mind. I am relying on so many technologies to b

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I'm amazed by the endurance you show with the indieweb tech.

Michael Bishop

Not giving up on IndieWeb

Good on you for not giving up. I think great leaps have been made even in the last year to make IndieWeb more accessible to people without a background in programming/web development. Micro.Blog is a good example. Webmentions on Perch will help move the needle. As more platforms adopt them, the less hoops to jump through. I’m excited by its future, and appreciate everyone who’s putting in the effort to get it working now. I do find that once you get it working, little effort is required to maintain it. Now

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This is all a bit tense, but with any luck there's a chance that this reply will soon show up, suitably styled, on the Mothership. When (if?) it does, there will be dancing in the streets.

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Giving Up On IndieWeb

(Further update: webmentions are working!!!) (UPDATE: It’s now been a year since I first posted this. Just today I discovered a year-old blog post which mentioned this one, and an ensuing discussion. Of course I knew nothing of this because – well, I couldn’t get webmentions to work! I have moved this blog to a new platform, and they have a webmentions plugin, so I’m going to link to/reply to the post in question and see if maybe, just maybe, this will work now?) Mood: very ranty! While I love the IndieWeb

Chris Aldrich

I'm glad you ultimately didn't "give up" but yet managed to get things sorted out to work the way you wanted them to. And with a few days to spare before your post made it to its one year anniversary! Of course things are still rapidly evolving and the barriers to entry are becoming lower every day...

Glenn Dixon

Yeah, also – I feel like I was a bit caustic in this original post. I’m glad to see the momentum is building and services are popping up everywhere. But mostly I’m glad that I was able to get things up and running without having to hack a bunch of PHP files. LOL Thanks for the reply!

Jeremy Cherfas

I have a feeling I saw this same post on a Grav-powered site, and would have responded from my own Grav site to the effect that it is not easy to get indieweb going with Grav, unless you are more adept than I am, but it is possible. Now, here you are on WordPress. So, not sure what is going on. But hey, each to their own. And I will PESOS this comment back to my own site just to confuse matters further.

Glenn Dixon

Well, up until a few days ago, this site *was* on Grav. I did manage to get basic outgoing webmentions working, but I had no way of having any reply show up on my site, and definitely no way of replying back to it. So thank you very much for your reply, but the only reason I can see it is because I converted the site to WordPress and set up all the IndieWeb plugins. As much as I like the *idea* of hacking away at PHP, IndieWeb is fairly complex if you don’t code for a living.

Andreas Petersell

Indiewebify my static Hugo website

Indiewebify my static Hugo website 1 min read Mit Hilfe eines kleinen Services von Pelle Wessmann namens https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ ist es mir auf meiner statischen Hugo-Seite möglich, Kommentare, Likes, Reposts u.ä. via Webmentions einzusammeln.Erster Schritt - Anmelden und Code einfügenAnschließend Domain eingeben und die beiden Code-Schnipsel einfügen. Den ersten in die header.html, den zweiten in die single.html.Zweiter S

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Matthias Ott

Going Indie. Step 2: Reclaiming Content

We have lost control over our content. To change this, we need to reconsider the way we create and consume content online. We need to create a new set of tools that enable an independent, open web for everyone.

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webmention.herokuapp.com A hosted Disqus-like comment service that enables #Webmention receiving on any kind of site. #indieweb HT @schnarfed

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Thanks! Do I need brid.gy on top of that to receive mentions from twitter, et al?

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Webmentions are now live on every post on dBlogIt! Thanks to @voxpelli https://webmention.herokuapp.com

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Webmentions are now live on every post on dBlogIt! Thanks to @voxpelli webmention.herokuapp.com (dblogit.com/link/2fb4e3/)

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@tarr11 @schnarfed The comments here are from bret's webmention.js script: bret.io/2015/05/23/tho…

Douglas Tarr

@schnarfed cool! Any good examples of this in action ?

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@t I am going to start using u-in-reply-to and u-repost-of though #indieweb

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@t Yes, I've read about that. I may do, but I don't know if I want the clutter of receiving them; a bit like having comments

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@elfpavlik we’ll do that once the #WebMention REC is rescinded.

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Kyle Mahan: A note from 2014-06-20

totally! there are obviously a number of established examples of this. a couple of the most relevant are jekyll + disqus (or webmention.herokuapp.com, etc.) and wordpress + wp super cache or total cache (plugins). that second combination is less well known, but it really is the same thing. the caching plugins generate and store the final html for each page, including the front page, lazily or eagerly, and serve it straight from disk without running any PHP. when someone posts a comment, or you update a page

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Pelle Wessman

New service: WebMentions for static pages

I'm now launching a service that can receive and embeds WebMentions for sites. Useful for eg. static blogs on GitHub Pages.

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New service: WebMentions for static pages

Want to implement webmentions but you’re using static pages a-la Jekyll? No problem. Pelle’s got you covered.

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